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		<title>By: Online Product Development</title>
		<link>http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/06/06/help-define-community-building-online/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Product Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,Fabulous site with fantastic information.Thanks for sharing this wonderful article with some great stuff.Chances are, when launching a new product, you will enroll the help or support of others during the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,Fabulous site with fantastic information.Thanks for sharing this wonderful article with some great stuff.Chances are, when launching a new product, you will enroll the help or support of others during the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Community Building is Happening Worldwide &#124; Connie Bensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Community Building is Happening Worldwide &#124; Connie Bensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Barger</title>
		<link>http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/06/06/help-define-community-building-online/#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Barger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Connie,
This is a great "thinking" post. 
I'm compelled to add something to the definition of Community Building regarding conversations between its' members. In that the community is not merely formed by bonds between the organization and followers, but also by bonds between the followers themselves.

It's a no brainer and perhaps implied, but since your making a definition, I find it worth mentioning. (Plus, you're so good at it that it's probably like air to you.)

Cheers!
-Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Connie,<br />
This is a great &#8220;thinking&#8221; post.<br />
I&#8217;m compelled to add something to the definition of Community Building regarding conversations between its&#8217; members. In that the community is not merely formed by bonds between the organization and followers, but also by bonds between the followers themselves.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a no brainer and perhaps implied, but since your making a definition, I find it worth mentioning. (Plus, you&#8217;re so good at it that it&#8217;s probably like air to you.)</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
-Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/06/06/help-define-community-building-online/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Phil for your thoughtfulness! You really took it to the next level. Considering why people find a community valuable &#38; want to participate will provide the key to second part of the def'n.

And the first part is the evolution of the community (not the 'building' of it)

Great ideas! I'll be putting these ideas together soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Phil for your thoughtfulness! You really took it to the next level. Considering why people find a community valuable &amp; want to participate will provide the key to second part of the def&#8217;n.</p>
<p>And the first part is the evolution of the community (not the &#8216;building&#8217; of it)</p>
<p>Great ideas! I&#8217;ll be putting these ideas together soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/06/06/help-define-community-building-online/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your definition is pretty workable; I would just ad an extra perspective or two.

The word "following" seems to be central to that definition. But a successful community also permits a "leading" within its structure. Leadership and fellowship aren't only interdependent, they can be bi-directional. 

Smart leaders know when to follow and smart businesses know when to take their customers' lead and then return their leadership with unexpected brilliance.

So I would say that a successful online community provides the kind of dynamic, flexible interactivity where a business' following is encouraged and able to lead part of the way. A business community aught to facilitate the flow of relevant information that enables an organization's flexibility to refine its plans, improve performance and accelerate the hard decisions (such as when to launch a new project or quit an old one).

And since we're talking about a living, breathing, dynamic system it cannot be "built". Think of an analogy from biology: living systems are never constructed from the hands of a carpenter. They grow from within, from tiny bits of information that connect, interact and re-network over and over and over in a nutrient-rich culture.

So: a community starts as a tiny kernel of an idea, gains mutual traction, consumes what is traded and grows (or dies).

So maybe rather than "How to build an online community", figuring out the key nutrients involved in "how to grow" that community might be even more workable. 

I wonder if there's more marketing wisdom to be gained from observing a colony of ants than attending Wharton.

Hope my ramble helps a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your definition is pretty workable; I would just ad an extra perspective or two.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;following&#8221; seems to be central to that definition. But a successful community also permits a &#8220;leading&#8221; within its structure. Leadership and fellowship aren&#8217;t only interdependent, they can be bi-directional. </p>
<p>Smart leaders know when to follow and smart businesses know when to take their customers&#8217; lead and then return their leadership with unexpected brilliance.</p>
<p>So I would say that a successful online community provides the kind of dynamic, flexible interactivity where a business&#8217; following is encouraged and able to lead part of the way. A business community aught to facilitate the flow of relevant information that enables an organization&#8217;s flexibility to refine its plans, improve performance and accelerate the hard decisions (such as when to launch a new project or quit an old one).</p>
<p>And since we&#8217;re talking about a living, breathing, dynamic system it cannot be &#8220;built&#8221;. Think of an analogy from biology: living systems are never constructed from the hands of a carpenter. They grow from within, from tiny bits of information that connect, interact and re-network over and over and over in a nutrient-rich culture.</p>
<p>So: a community starts as a tiny kernel of an idea, gains mutual traction, consumes what is traded and grows (or dies).</p>
<p>So maybe rather than &#8220;How to build an online community&#8221;, figuring out the key nutrients involved in &#8220;how to grow&#8221; that community might be even more workable. </p>
<p>I wonder if there&#8217;s more marketing wisdom to be gained from observing a colony of ants than attending Wharton.</p>
<p>Hope my ramble helps a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Bensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie Bensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Justin - no worries on your your spelling! I can remedy that. And thank you from moving to spectator to joining in. I hope others do so also.

I like your use of "empowering" here: “Online community building is a process of encouraging and empowering online networks of people around a core theme on a website, blog or mobile platform.”

Because community management is such a misnomer - you're right - if it's done correctly it really is providing the community with guidance to build community around themselves. As some have said - it's like 'herding cats'!

Hi Andy,
I wasn't the first person in my role. The person that started it was in ESD &#38; marketing. Back in 2006 he was intrigued by Andy Sernowitz's work and WOM. So when he had time he was exploring where the communities were at. Then he found me using the company's product in a totally new way &#38; the rest is history as they say. (It really is a whole post).
When I became the Community Manager the position was expanded &#38; the ESD responsibilities shifted to allow me to focus on growing the role. And how I got 'buy-in' (support) from the other departments is also another post. More coming on those topics.

Thanks so much for giving me ideas for future topics!

Does anyone else have ideas for the definition for community building?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Justin - no worries on your your spelling! I can remedy that. And thank you from moving to spectator to joining in. I hope others do so also.</p>
<p>I like your use of &#8220;empowering&#8221; here: “Online community building is a process of encouraging and empowering online networks of people around a core theme on a website, blog or mobile platform.”</p>
<p>Because community management is such a misnomer - you&#8217;re right - if it&#8217;s done correctly it really is providing the community with guidance to build community around themselves. As some have said - it&#8217;s like &#8216;herding cats&#8217;!</p>
<p>Hi Andy,<br />
I wasn&#8217;t the first person in my role. The person that started it was in ESD &amp; marketing. Back in 2006 he was intrigued by Andy Sernowitz&#8217;s work and WOM. So when he had time he was exploring where the communities were at. Then he found me using the company&#8217;s product in a totally new way &amp; the rest is history as they say. (It really is a whole post).<br />
When I became the Community Manager the position was expanded &amp; the ESD responsibilities shifted to allow me to focus on growing the role. And how I got &#8216;buy-in&#8217; (support) from the other departments is also another post. More coming on those topics.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for giving me ideas for future topics!</p>
<p>Does anyone else have ideas for the definition for community building?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Headworth</title>
		<link>http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/06/06/help-define-community-building-online/#comment-1180</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Headworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connie,
I really like your definition. I have a question for you.
You mention in your role for the software company, you act as a 'meta customer'. If you were the first person in this role (I am guessing you were), how did you get the buyin from all the non-marketing departments? And was there much sceptism in the business for the role of Community Manager?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connie,<br />
I really like your definition. I have a question for you.<br />
You mention in your role for the software company, you act as a &#8216;meta customer&#8217;. If you were the first person in this role (I am guessing you were), how did you get the buyin from all the non-marketing departments? And was there much sceptism in the business for the role of Community Manager?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/06/06/help-define-community-building-online/#comment-1179</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would also help if I could spell, but oh well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would also help if I could spell, but oh well <img src='http://conniebensen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/06/06/help-define-community-building-online/#comment-1178</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nobel challenge Connie.

I'm a relative newcomer to the field but let me give it a shot. You definition, to me, focuses too much on the product side of it (the thing being built around) rather than the people (the people coming together) - and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

So, I'd tweak your definition a little:

"Online community building is a process of encouraging and empowering online networks of people around a core theme on a website, blog or mobile platform."

I don't like the word "theme", but finding a word which covers all the possible tangible, intangible, and outright bizzare things which bring people together in the first place isn't a skill I can lay claim to :)

I think a definition like this may bring the defniniton of Community Manager out of the business world and include hobby sites or personal interest sites a bit better.

Anyhoo, that's all I have for now, figured I might as well move from the world of "spectator" to "critic" ;)

Justin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nobel challenge Connie.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a relative newcomer to the field but let me give it a shot. You definition, to me, focuses too much on the product side of it (the thing being built around) rather than the people (the people coming together) - and that&#8217;s not necessarily a bad thing.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;d tweak your definition a little:</p>
<p>&#8220;Online community building is a process of encouraging and empowering online networks of people around a core theme on a website, blog or mobile platform.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the word &#8220;theme&#8221;, but finding a word which covers all the possible tangible, intangible, and outright bizzare things which bring people together in the first place isn&#8217;t a skill I can lay claim to <img src='http://conniebensen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think a definition like this may bring the defniniton of Community Manager out of the business world and include hobby sites or personal interest sites a bit better.</p>
<p>Anyhoo, that&#8217;s all I have for now, figured I might as well move from the world of &#8220;spectator&#8221; to &#8220;critic&#8221; <img src='http://conniebensen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Justin</p>
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